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Fractivists Want River Commission to Regulate Gas Pipelines

Environmental activists want The Delaware River Basin Commission to regulate gas pipeline construction that could affect the watershed

 

The Delaware River Basin Com­mis­sion (DRBC) remains silent on new Marcellus Shale drilling reg­u­la­tions for the Delaware River water­shed as commission members from New York work on completing their reg­u­la­tory update, according to a State Impact report.

In the mean­time, pipeline con­struc­tion in Penn­syl­va­nia is boom­ing. Smaller lines from well­heads, as well as large inter­state lines, will go below rivers and streams. Activists who want the DRBC to ban gas drilling also want the commission to start weigh­ing in on pipelines near water­ways which feed the Delaware.

Should the DRBC regulate new gas pipelines that could affect the Delaware River watershed? Tell us what you think in the comments section below.

It's been ten months since the DRBC canceled a vote on natural gas regulations that would have allowed drilling in the Delaware River watershed.

On Wednesday, at its fourth meeting since that canceled vote, none of the five members - representing Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, New York, and the federal government - on the Delaware River Basin Commission offered comment on the matter, according to a Philly.com report.

Despite low prices and a new tax on the industry, natural gas production in Pennsylvania has doubled in the past year.

Drillers operating in Pennsylvania’s expansive Marcellus shale gas field extracted 895 billion cubic feet of gas during the first six months of 2012, according to figures released by the state Department of Environmental Protection.

That’s up from about 435 billion cubic feet during the same period in 2011, according to DEP.

More than 2,700 actively producing Marcellus shale gas wells exist in Pennsylvania, with the highest concentration in Washington and Greene counties in the state’s southwest corner and Tioga, Susquehanna and Bradford counties along the northern tier, according to DEP.

Related Topics: Delaware River, Delaware River Basin Commission, Delaware River Watershed, Environmental Protection, Gas Drilling, Marcellus Shale, Natural Gas, and fracking

Elsa

8:21 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Some people are never happy.

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louis kootsares

8:34 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

some people are looking for something to object about....anyone with a brain knows that we need the natural gas the tax revenue should be used for tax relief not for the grubby politicians to waste

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Jaime

9:14 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Louis, some of us like to drink water not laced with kool-aid.

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Anthony Wayne

12:43 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Your daily dose of kool-aid comes courtesy of the Federal Government, not from the DRBC. :)

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tamarya

8:51 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Well some of us like to drink the water not laced with parasites, which the gas would kill.

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Ron Beitler

8:28 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

I prefer drinking water not laced with carcinogens. I went to school out at Slippery Rock U. About an hour North of Pittsburgh. I have many friends who live in the "northern tier" who I visit regularly. Bradford county specifically a buddy of mine lives. (As you may know this is the biggest county in terms of wells) I can tell you first hand from people who live in this area. Stories like this ARE real. http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/amall/one_familys_life_in_the_gas_pa.html

Now, the sad thing is this. Residents from this area DO support drilling for the most part. Why? There are literally ghost towns up that way. We live in a bubble here in the LV. We really do. While we had a minor recession here. Up in the northern tier it's more like a decade long depression. These folks are willing to gamble on their health for this windfall.

I ask this. Is this the long term economic solution? We can't do better? We can't create permanent jobs?

Fred

9:30 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

The Basin Commission has no authority to regulate land use and it should stay that way. Land use regulations are the sovereignty of the state not an agency with no elected officials who think they can run roughshod over everyone.

The DRBC should stick to what they were created to do, water consumption, quality and disposal and nothing more. They don’t have the expertise or experience to regulate and that is straight from the DRBC staff. They would do more harm then good which is apparent from their disastrous water release policy, the FFMP which has had negative ecological consequences for the river.

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TheProspector

11:02 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Remember, we have pipelines now which people enjoy as they dry their clothes and heat their homes. As population increases (and people switch from oil and coal to cheaper gas) new lines will be installed even if gas comes from Louisiana. This gas will heat the homes of the so-called "fractivists" even as they complain about drilling and piping it. We'll have to force them to take the gas and save money and get away from coal. It's an absurd situation.

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louis kootsares

11:25 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

oh gosh oh gee oh golly jaime so does everyone else thats why we have government agencies regulating them .. they really do not need boo hoo whiners wimpering about everything

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James Smith

1:39 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

No one is going to be paying less in gas, since any surplus will not drive down prices in PA, but will be sold out of state to the highest bidder. Do people really believe the Gas companies won't sell gas drilled in PA to other states where the price and demand is higher? I love all you sheep arguing that you're personally going to see a drastic reduction in your heating bill and taxes, and is going to be great for the economy. I'd go on explaining my view point, but the sheep on this site don't get past four sentences before they have another foolish point to make. Baaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

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Jaime

3:45 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

All the people who think fracking is a good thing should take a trip down to Appalachia. The only thing "benefiting" is corporate greed. Water, once polluted, will not "save" us anything but the corporations who polluted it will not have to live with it. We will.

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Bruce Bailey

8:07 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

It's simple, really. The state should agree to well-regulated gas drilling as soon as two criteria are met: 1) the fracking companies reveal all of the chemical ingredients of the toxic soup they are pumping into the ground as part of this process, and all of those ingredients are ruled safe by an impartial board of scientists; and 2) a tax and fee structure is imposed that will fairly pay PA taxpayers for this intense and profitable use of nonrenewing state resources and act as escrow against repair of all roads, lands, and infrastructure that is impacted by the gas drillers. Once those two things happen, I think most would agree it would be OK to move ahead. Of course, neither of those things is happening with Corbett and his cronies in charge of Harrisburg; instead, the citizens, as well as this beautiful state, are being fracked while Republican politicians reap bundles of campaign contributions as payment for bending over.

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Bruce Davis

8:48 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Pipeline infrastructure will fail eventually and before these companies take their profits and run off or claim bankruptcy at least a clean up and removal cost should be evaluated for these drilling sites and pipelines. Then a fund for clean up be created to repair damage to the environment or compensate those who have and will be affected by fracking, drilling and pipelines. Gas companies must be responsible entities to the people and the environment of the states they deprive a living from. We citizens we must realize demand for fuels will not go away anytime soon. Fracking itself is another real problem that must be addressed and can it continue safely without permanently ruining the ground water we take for granted. If we didn't learn from mistakes in the BP disaster in the Gulf will we ever learn.

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tamarya

8:54 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Really thinks we could save some money eliminating EPA, or eliminating to only certain things they handle, like huge gas spills or fuel leaks, not just a drop of gas and they respond. And as for people that do not like our natural resources being produced, then turn off your tvs, computers, a/c's, heaters, and so on, because I would like to live in modern times till I am dead, not go back to the stone age or become amish country because activists do not like people accessing our resources.

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tamarya

8:55 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Because if we stop producing or accessing them we are eventually going to not have them.

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Bruce Davis

9:40 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

http://www.niagarafrontier.com/environment.html

Checkout how easy it is to destory the environment and how it was without the EPA.
Also, because some companies have taken no responsibility we the taxpayers end up with the bill and the problem regardless. If there was no EPA we would have to create it.

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tamarya

11:28 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Really no difference, then lakes were closed for too high of chemicals now they are closed for bacteria, kind of like beltzville. I know for myself I would rather swim and maybe get cancer 30 yrs down the road then swim with a slight cut in my leg and develop a flesh eating bacteria and face cutting my limbs off or dieing immediately.

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tamarya

11:31 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

And did the health hazards then ever occur, because they did not give any amount of people becoming ill and what occurred, where the diseases now are evident like the amoeba, legionarres and the flesh eating nightmare.

Ron Wagner

10:27 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

http://ronwagnersrants.blogspot.com Natural gas is the future of energy. It is replacing dirty, dangerous, expensive coal and nuclear plants. It is producing the electricity for electric cars. It will directly fuel cars,pickup trucks, vans, buses, long haul trucks, dump trucks, locomotives, aircraft, ships etc. It will keep us out of more useless wars, where we shed our blood and money. It is reducing CO2 emissions. Here are over 1,400 recent links for you:
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Ron Beitler

8:35 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

I agree with that. There is no doubt Nat gas IS the bridge we need to buy time until green energy is cost efficient.

All we need to do is just figure out how to get it out of the ground safely. I could dig up dozens of article citing incidents like this: http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2012/07/05/4700-gallons-of-acid-spill-at-bradford-county-drilling-site/

There ARE viable alternatives to chemical fracking. Exothermic non-hydraulic extraction for one. Why aren't we exploring these? Probably chemical fracking is slightly cheaper.

jeff

10:58 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

These Greenies are never happy. Maybe one of the actual Greenie chemists can explain to this conservative chemist, probably termed by them "moron", just exactly how a GAS is going to pollute the WATER. I know I am probably a simpleton but a GAS may pollute the air but I have a real hard time figuring how it will pollute the water.

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Morgan King

11:31 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

That's not the concern - you don't seem to understand how the process works. The gas doesn't pollute the water, the liquids used in hydraulic fracturing can pollute the water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proppants_and_fracking_fluids

The issue is whether or not the fluids pumped deep underground can reach the water supply - some studies say it can:
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/30/11961

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tamarya

11:35 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Yeah I always thought chemicals in water evaporate, especially in heat. Obviously these people never owned swimming pools or they never figured out why they need chlorine added regularly or they just never add it like they are supposed too.

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Ron Beitler

8:36 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

Tamyra.... evaporation can't happen underground.

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Ron Beitler

8:57 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

Also the distinction of "greenies" is getting more and more blurred. Trust me, the fastest growing segment of the republic party are the young fiscal conservatives who also happen to be environmentally aware and really could care less about social issues other then the need to reform entitlements. The days where the republican party was the steward of the environment is coming back I sincerely hope. This is true now in the case of younger republicans, I hear it everyday. Folks need to get used to that. And old line R politicians who support dismantling of environmental laws need to understand this. At least if they want to win elections.

Remember it was TR who created our national park system...
Nixon who signed into the law the National Environmental Policy Act..
R's who passed the Wilderness act
Ford who initiated MPG standards
Reagan supported the Montreal Protocol siding with science
And Bush 2 who established Marine preserves, taking TR's work into our Oceans.

Ron Beitler

8:44 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

Here is my take:
1. I have no doubt fracking harms groundwater. No doubt in my mind. I personally know people whose wells have been affected. But the windfall is so big they ignore health concerns because they have no other comparable alternative.

2. Despite the danger, Nat Gas remains our best hope for energy independence. . . FOR NOW. It's the bridge we need before green energy becomes sustainable.

3. What we need to explore is an alternative to fracking to get the nat gas out of the ground. I agree nat gas is the way to go. We just need a safe way to get it out. These alternatives exist now. Why we aren't exploring them is the 10 million dollar question.

4. Drilling is a temporary economic boom to desperate areas. It is a bandaid for local economies in the northern tier. A lucrative band-aid but one nonetheless. It's temporary. We need permanent solutions to bring jobs to these areas.

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