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Money May Keep Red Light Cameras Out of ‘Burbs

Costs may keep red light cameras in the city and out of suburban intersections.

 

It’s now legal for red light cameras to come to some local neighborhoods, but economics may keep them away.

In June, the legislature passed House Bill 254, which basically allowed for the cameras to be used in Montgomery, Chester, Delaware and Bucks counties as well as Pittsburgh starting in September, and reauthorize the red light camera program in Philadelphia through July 2017.

Municipalities eligible for the red light cameras would have to exceed 20,000 residents and have full-time police forces accredited by the Pennsylvania Chiefs of Police Association.

That means red light cameras could be coming to:

Chester County: West Chester, West Goshen, West Whiteland townships
Delaware County: Media Borough; Haverford, Radnor, Upper Darby townships, City of Chester
Montgomery County: Lower Merion, Abington, Horsham, Lower Providence, Montgomery, Upper Dublin and Upper Merion townships and Norristown Borough

Cameras Cost Money

A report from the Pennsylvania Transportation Advisory Committee says each camera has to generate more than 300 tickets per month to pay for its costs, according to an article in the Pennsylvania Independent, and
violations from cameras can drop off as much as half in a year.

The report suggested that only Pittsburgh, and not the suburban communities have the right conditions to make the cameras self-sustaining, the Pennsylvania Independent wrote.


What do you think about red light cameras? Should they be in the suburbs? Is it worth having the municipality pay the overhead for the added safety? Let us know in the comments.

Related Topics: New Law and Red Light Cameras

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Bob Byrne

6:58 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Update for Tredyffrin residents and drivers: A red light camera opponent came to July's Board of Supervisors meeting fully prepared to fight the possibility of cameras in Tredyffrin Township. He was told that despite meeting the population requirements for the red light cameras, Tredyffrin Township does not meet other requirements and therefore will not be getting red light cameras.

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Seavet1

8:34 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012

In West Chester cameras would be a welcome addition, speeding is epidemic especially in places like East Bradford where people drive 10 and 20 miles an hour over the speed limit and the police are nonexistent. Can’t understand why any community would not want them, except for those who are violating speed limits.

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Adrian Seltzer

2:51 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

If the car is registered to you, you get the ticket, not the driver.

Tom Fox

10:50 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Above reports the law: "Municipalities eligible for the red light cameras would have to exceed 20,000 residents". This provision seems out of place for a heavy traveled township like East Whiteland Township which hosts the vast Great Valley Corp. Center, Wegmans food store, Rt. 202 ramps esp. on Rt. 29 and west on Rt. 30; and soon to host on Rt 29 a Turnpike slip ramp; also the Worthington development; and soon a proposed 80,000 sq. ft. Corp Headquarters with 40,000 sq. ft. of public storage at the corner of Old Lincoln and Rt. 30. Also there is a stream of traffic down both Old Lincoln and Warren Ave's from Delco and West Chesco in the morning with commuters rushing to the above with a new scheduled traffic light at Old Lincoln and Old Lancaster. The East Whiteland Township Police, even with the great job they do, will have a strain to keep up with this overwhelming growth (which is not always progress as some have voiced). The law needs change to include current heavily traveled townships (with much more traffic to come soon) like East Whiteland. I wonder if traffic studies for EWT have been posted online anywhere?

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paleale

12:10 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Red light cameras DO NOT monitor speeding, only vehicles going through an intersection after the light turns red. It has been shown that there is an increase of rear end collisions after installation of these cameras as motorists become very concerned about $100 tickets, so they slam on the brakes or slow up even when approaching a green light.

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Andrew Snyder

12:49 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Would it not be easier to install a countdown timer at high volume intersections so that drivers would know how many seconds would elapse before the light changes color? This is already being done for pedestrians. Or, perhaps, make the yellow light begin to flash prior to changing to red. Many studies exist that say that lenghtening the yellow by as little as a few seconds would avoid a vast majority of accidents that occur at intersections. These solutions are preferred to the punitive ones that government agencies come up with that only feather their nests.

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Tom Fox

2:48 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Andrew, good idea. Pale ale, could you list the link for the traffic report study you mention in your comments? Thank you. Mostly, I slow down when the light starts to turn yellow in case the driver in front of me decides to stop suddenly. If someone does not slow down and tries to run the yellow, it's their risk, I think. Anyway, thank you for taking the time to write.

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Seavet1

3:24 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

For those of you who think these traffic camera do not monitor speed, my neighbor got a $130.00 speeding ticket from a camera. This happened outside of State College, PA. As to the issue of traffic accidents because of people slamming on their breaks, I find that causal connection spurious at best. But if true that simply points out that there is already a great deal of speeding and running of red lights.

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Morgan King

3:45 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

It's not just a causal connection - the Federal DoT has gathered data on it. The presence of red light cameras decreases right-angle accidents by 24.6% and increases rear end crashes by 14.9% - which might be a good trade, except as far as injuries go, right angle accidents were reduced by 15.7%, and rear end injuries shot up 24%. A similar study in Texas showed that in the presence of red light cameras, the actual crash rate remained unchanged, and they observed rear end collisions up a crazy 56%!

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/05049/
http://tti.tamu.edu/group/stsc/files/2011/03/Red-light-camera-effectiveness-070610-w-Garland-correction.pdf

Seavet1

9:56 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012

Thanks Morgan
I read the studiesn and believe the studies cited address the wrong question, the issue of red light camera’s effectiveness may be questionable and I still maintain having looked at the web sites there is a tangential and hardly causal relationship. What I have been referring to is speed cameras and the British Journal of Medicine(Feb 2005) published and extensive study of the effects of speed cameras on accident rates and fatality rates, which was very positive for the use of cameras .

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Mildred Roberts

9:58 am on Monday, October 1, 2012

Set an upper age limit for a Driver's License and you'll be making progress.

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Adrian Seltzer

2:54 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

Spend the money on either smart traffic lights or at least time them properly. Dumb iron wastes time and gas, lessens productivity and is really annoying.

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