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Protesters: Ryan and Akin the Same on Abortion

A group of about 25 picketed the Republican vice presidential candidate's Aug. 21 speech in West Chester.

 

An overwhelming majority of the crowd that gathered at West Chester’s American Helicopter Museum on Tuesday to see Paul Ryan did so in support of the Republican vice presidential candidate.

Andrea Lynch was not in this majority.

“I am a woman, and I have three daughters, and this is appalling to me. We are moving backwards in our rights and even respect,” said Lynch, a Malvern resident who was one of roughly 25 protesters who clustered along the venue's Airport Road entrance in the run-up to the 3:30 p.m. speech.

A "Legitimate" Gripe?

Lynch, like many of the picketers, was incensed by what she views as the Republican ticket’s hostility to abortion rights. She carried two placards: one that read “Catholic Mother for Choice” another that asked “What is Legitimate Rape?,” a reference to Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin’s recent remark that “legitimate” rape rarely leads to pregnancy.

Andrea Morganstein, a member of MoveOn.Org—a liberal activist group that helped organize the protest—took the comparison between Ryan and Akin a step further. Carrying a sign that read “Ryan & Akin Agree, Only Some Rapes Count,” she argued that Ryan doesn’t just have similar abortion views as the controversial candidate—both oppose abortion in all cases except those in which the mother’s life is in danger—but said the pair were complicit in an attempt to restrict abortion access by narrowing the definition of rape. In doing so, she said, they hoped to cut off Medicaid abortion funding for victims of statutory rape and some kinds of incest.

“They recently cosponsored a bill that tried, but failed, to change the wording from rape to forcible rape—like a woman had to defend how raped she was in order to qualify for an abortion through Medicaid. And that’s why Akin’s flub is connected to what Ryan stands for,” she said, backdropped by intermittent chants of “four more years” and “Ryan is wrong for women.”

(It's unclear if Ryan and Akin are as uniquely close on abortion as the protesters claim. While they cosponsored the HR 3: No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act in January of 2011, they were just two of its 227 cosponsors. )

To advance their argument conflating the two, MoveOn took to the skies as well: for three hours an airplane financed by the group carried a banner that read “Romney Ryan Akin= Wrong 4 Women” over the rally.

Protesters Call Ryan Budget a Bust

The protestors also took issue with the congressman’s proposed budget. Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” has drawn criticism from liberal (and some conservative) corners for its sharp cuts to the federal budget, including a proposal to turn Medicare for those under age 55 into a voucher system. Several protestors carried signs that read “Ryan: Yes to Millionaires, No to Medicare.”

Les Mills, 73, said he was puzzled by blue-collar support for Ryan. If you’re not rich, he wondered, why vote Republican?

“I don’t understand how so many working people can be ignorant of what happens on the Republican side. They think they’re doing something for them, and they’re not.”

Democrats Make Their Case

The protest culminated in a brief press conference where West Chester mayor Carolyn Comitta, Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), and Democratic U.S. congressional candidates Manan Trivedi and George Badey took turns criticizing the Republican ticket.

“Mitt Romney has chosen a running mate who would not only privatize Social Security, but would also raise taxes for the middle class, turn Medicare into a voucher program, and cut investments in education, infrastructure, and important veterans' programming,” said Comitta in her introductory remarks. “All to fund massive tax breaks for millionaires like Mitt Romney.”

(“That’s not true, that’s baloney!” shouted a woman in medical scrubs from the back of the crowd. The interruption was one of several that occurred during the stump speeches. None were profane or aggressive.)

Senator Lautenberg waxed biographical: he told the crowd that his success owes much to the support of government programs. The WWII veteran said he graduated from college because of the GI Bill.

“We built a society that was called the greatest generation, and that’s what we’re asking for now,” he said, his voice raising. “We’re saying to the wealthiest among us, 'Kick in, do your share!'”

Manan Trivedi, the challenger to Jim Gerlach (R-6), and George Badey, who’s facing off against Pat Meehan (R-7), each took the opportunity to tie their Republican opponents to Ryan.

Trivedi, an Iraq war veteran and a primary care physician, poked fun at his opponents’ brag that he and Paul Ryan exercise together.

“They may be working out with each other, but they’re not working out for the middle class,” he said to laughter.

Related Topics: Barrack Obama, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, and presidential election

Joe Melchiorre

7:33 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

You 'dumborats" criticize all you want, but have not come up with a plan that is putting America back on a path to prosperity!! REMEMBER in NOVEMBER!! tHE MORMON, NOT THE MORON!!

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Steve Maher

7:49 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Paul Ryan voted for the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts, he voted for the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, and Medicare Part D. These policies lead us to the financial situation that we are in today. He also voted for the bank bailout and the auto bail out. He is far from being a fiscal conservative! Now, the Romney/Ryan budget calls for more tax cuts for the wealthy that are paid for by increasing taxes on the middle class. He is nothing more than the female version of Sarah Palin!

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Karl

8:30 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

@ Steve Maher: your tired, worn out talking points don't add up to the same conclusion as the CBO:

Analysis of the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) final report on what caused the January 2001 projection of a $5.6 trillion 10-year surplus to turn into an actual $6.1 trillion deficit over that 10-year period shows that:
The tax policies enacted a decade ago are responsible for just 16 percent of the swing from surplus to deficit. Furthermore, given that only about one-fourth of the tax cuts went to upper-income earners, just 1/25th of the decline from surpluses to deficits resulted from upper-income tax cuts. (NOTE: Given that CBO does not take into account any of the positive impact of tax cuts on investment, savings and economic growth, the percentage was actually even smaller than the 1/25th estimate)
The CBO report has shown that new spending and net interest were three times as responsible for the deficits as the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts – and 12 times as responsible as the upper-income portion of the tax cuts.

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Dot

10:17 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Regarding the reductions in tax rates in place since 2001 and 2004, see this article: "How Did Federal Surpluses Become Huge Deficits? (Hint: It Wasn't Because of Tax Cuts for the Rich)" At this site: http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=22280&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD

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David Curran

1:23 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Well state Steve. Karl, how many jobs were created by the Bush tax cuts? How did the stock market (401 K's, etc,) do under his administration? It did not work then, why should anyone think it will work now.

Erin Bull Gauntner

7:57 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

It is a shame this "news article" is so slanted (to the left.) True Catholics believe in the sanctity of life from conception to natural death. Period. Andrea Lynch and those like her are "CINOs", Catholics in Name Only and not true Catholics. If you do not believe what our Church teaches then you should not identify yourself as Catholic. Period. The media focus on these "fake" Catholics does quite a disservice to our faith and to those of us who practice it faithfully. I am proud to be 100% Catholic and 100% Pro-Life. I would love to see the media tell both sides of the story factually and without bias. And yes, I do work for the Church and am proud to do so.

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Brian A.

8:04 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Catholics are pretty much the only legitimately pro-life group, as in, they support life AFTER birth, including healthcare, alms for the poor, opposing the death penalty, etc. Even though I do not agree with you, I have nothing but respect for your position because it is 100% consistent.

But most 'Pro-Life' proponents have no interest in supporting or helping that life after birth (and indeed support the death penalty and endless wars), so you'll forgive us for taking those folks quite skeptically.

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John Q. Public

8:19 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Erin, anyone can claim to be a Catholic, yet promote policies directly opposed to Catholic teaching. The current head of HHS, Kathleen Sebelius, is a strong supporter of abortion up until the actual moment of birth, but claimed to be Catholic. I know Baptists who are closer to Catholic teachings than many Catholics. Strange but true.

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Morgan King

3:08 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

To be fair, though, True Catholics also believe in a world-building arbitrarily-moralizing mega-being as if that's somehow more specific and less ridiculous than believing in Zeus, Odin or Xiuhtecuhtli. The media can't tell the other factual side of the story, because the other side is completely fictional, and, even if it weren't, like the being who created death, pain and entropy in the first place would even care about the death of a fetus - the being who created the Loa Loa (you know, the African Eye Worm that lives in the eyeballs of children before laying larva in their spinal fluid?) doesn't care about the death of an unborn baby.

Voter

8:08 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

I think only Jesus knows who is a "True" anything Erin. Catholics believe and use birth control, the same as protestants....and most believe that an unwanted pregnancy is between them and their God personally...no church involved. And many good 'Catholics' use the day after pill, you wouldn't know because they ask their friends to get them for them. This is a private issue.

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Dot

1:45 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Hi, Voter. What documentation do you have for this information?

Month Season

8:30 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

I wanted to share as someone who has been raped.... I had a pregnancy scare cause by missing my cycle due to the stress and devastation after the rape. After they preformed the rape investigation and rape kit, I was asked if I wanted to take the morning after pill. I said NO very strongly! I was young but knew it wasn't my child's fault and if I couldn't look at my child without remembering the rape then I could bless a family who couldn't have kids! To me a little bundle of joy would have been the best thing that came out of the rape! I ended up not being pregnant but point is I didn't even consider it!!

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Dot

1:47 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Hello, Month. God bless you. That was a horrible thing that happened to you. Your courage and love for life should be an inspiration to many.

marcthepig

8:56 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

From this article I gather Tom is auditioning for a job at the DNC. That is unless he already works there.

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RS

12:30 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Obviously. This site is a left-leaning joke, like most media outlets.

Then again, Phoenixville is liberal haven, so I guess they don't need to bother with giving FACTS...

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Dot

1:50 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

I didn't know that Phoenixville is such a liberal haven. Hang in there! Do you guys know about the valley Forge Patriots? It is a conservative group and they meet in Phoenixville. Let me know if you would like info. I'm not a member, by have been to some of their events.

Dot

9:30 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Akin is an idiot. Read the bill. HR 3; the bill passed had no such verbage. On page 3. "‘§ 309. Treatment of abortions related to rape, incest, or preserving the life of the mother. The limitations established in sections 301, 302, 303, and 304 shall not apply to an abortion—
‘‘(1) if the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest; or
‘‘(2) in the case where a woman suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury,
or physical illness that would, as certified by a physician, place the woman
in danger of death unless an abortion is performed, including a life-endangering
physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself".

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John Q. Public

9:40 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

A man accused of forcible rape will be addressing the Democrat National Convention. He didn't just talk about it, but allegedly did it. I hope Andrea Morganstein will protest there with the same vigor. What do you think?

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Erin Bull Gauntner

10:08 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Anyone can claim to be anything, it doesn't make it so. True Catholics do not support the death penalty, endless wars, emergency contraception, etc. I am proud to stay true to the tenets of my faith and associate with plenty of folks who do the same. Our own Archbishop Chaput and other bishops have made some wonderful recent remarks on these issues. Yes, Jesus does know what is in our hearts and we will be judged by him accordingly.

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E. Ogens

10:16 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

When is everyone going to realize that it is the economy, economy, economy!!!!!

Liberalcrats are so misquided. They need to search for the truth!!!!! Read Obamacare. Read the parts for Medicare and your eyes will be open to what is really going on. Channel your anger appropriately.

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Dot

1:54 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Hi E. Read Obamacare? The Democrat Congress didn't even read it, so I can't believe that any of these folks would read it. Also, the scary part is that the regulations are only partly written. These regs will take years to write. The framework is in the law, but the DHHS has so much authority that they can basically write anything they want.

Mohandus Frieri

10:35 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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Marc L.

10:52 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

I cannot wait for November 7th to see what frenzy the GOP faithful whip up when Romney/Ryan loses and Obama wins a second term -- one that will hopefully mean that Republicans cn shift focus from "Preventing Obama from being re-elected" to "Working to make this country better" instead. It's as if no one by the Democrats realize that every single way that the Obama administration has tried to improve the economy was met by defiance and obstruction from the Republican party.

Our whole system is flawed, but for people to say that Obama is ruining the Ecomony or that he's done nothing to fix it is nothing more than partisan stupidity.

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Mike Shortall

11:42 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Except for those two years when the Democrats controlled BOTH Houses of Congress and The White House and did NOTHING to fix the ECONOMY. At a time when they could do almost anything to remake the economy in their own image, they decided to focus on the Liberal "pet project" of pushing America towards a single-payer, socialized medical system.

Two years wasted when Mr. Obama promised bipartisan answers; instead they decided to push a quick and overwhlemingly partisan bill over all objections and reasonable requests to slow down and legislate a law that all could support.

"We must pass this bill to find out what's in it.", said Nancy Pelosi.

And then they wonder where all the bipartisan support went?!? Funny ...

After the election, I fully expect Republican lawmakers to govern - if they win - or consult (Ha! ... as the ACA proved, who would listen?) - if the lose - to work to make the country better in accordance with their beliefs as to what's best for the country.

It's always funny to hear Liberals speak as if they own The High Ground. The really interesting question for me will be how the Democrats will contribute to "making the country better" should THEY lose in November.

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Dot

2:06 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Mike, how true. The House has about 30 jobs bills sitting in the Senate. Who are obstructing? Also, Obama unleashed could be the most destructive thing this country has ever seen. I said when he was campaigning that there was a puppeteer and I understand that individual may actually be Valerie Jarrett. Who knows what all it was that he was referring to when he told the Russians that they needed to wait until he was reelected and he would have "more flexibility." See it here: Obama caught on mic saying "After My Election I Have More Flexibility" See it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYGsadcBiFA

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Marc L.

2:33 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Mike: I didn't realize the economy was something that could be fixed in 2 years. In those 2 years a lot of good was done towards economic goals, and in the two years since the GOP has tried to repeal and reverse that which was done and reflect and refute anything new that has come their way.

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David Curran

3:01 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Dot, Valerie Jarret as a puppeteer? I really have heard some pretty stupid things from the right wing, but that is a classic. Have you been a rascist all your life or only since the last Presidential election? Go get yourself measured for one of those ridiculous bonnets the Teabaggers wear and then educate yourself.

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Mike Shortall

4:28 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Marc: I never said they should have "fixed" it in two years. I said they did nothing to fix it in two years. There's a difference.

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Bill L

7:54 am on Friday, August 31, 2012

Good point, Marc. See you at the Solyndra company picnic next week? I can't make it. The wife and I added up the cost of gas and at $4.00, we'll have to miss it this year. We planned on borrowing my neighbor's new Chevy Volt, but we bagged that when the cute little thing spontaneously combusted the other night in his driveway. It was crazy! And the weird thing? We didn't here a thing until the fire truck sirens pulled close to the house (who knew that fire from electric cars are silent?). We wouldn't have heard it anyway, because we were glued to MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell enlightening us about how Mitt Romney's Mormon faith has made him a racist. Fascinating. Look it up!

John Monaghan

11:25 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Marc....as I've mentioned previously the President had two years with a Democratic Congress and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate (until Scott Brown shocked the political world by taking Ted Kennedy's seat in deep blue Mass.). The American people decided in 2010 that they had had enough of "hope and change." They elected a Republican House to put the brakes on the excesses of the previous 2 years. It's important to put your statement in context, i.e., been there, done that. The President had 2 years to get it right. He didn't and the American people responded.

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Greg Hytha

12:11 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Strange how the story of Paul Ryan coming to a crowd of thousands in Chester County devolves into a story about a few protesters. I went to the rally to hear what he had to say. Abortion never came up. The economy, national defense, health care and some ideas about getting people back to work were the high points from Ryan and roughly 5,000 people responded positively.

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Debbie Thomas

3:33 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

The Democrats have created this phony "war on women". Women are NOT going to lose all the rights they've gained over the years. I am honestly more concerned about things like the economy, the ever growing deficit and jobs. I could care less about gays, abortion and any other personal decisions that people make. I am not a big fan of Romney but I do like the fact that Ryan is a fiscal conservative. As much as Americans hate to admit it, we are going to have to have budget cuts across the board in every program.

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Brendan Kelly

4:03 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

@Debbi Thomas: Yes, I agree. We need to make cuts, but not everything. Defense has the highest percentage(%24) of the US budget, followed by healthcare(%22) which includes medicare, Pension(%22), Welfare (%12), Education (%4). We should start with defense, healthcare and Pensions and go from there. But no one wants to even talk about Defense, The military doesn't need billion dollar fighter jets and Tanks.

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Adrian Seltzer

4:16 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Debbie,
When we are having the same debates over abortion and birth control as we did in the 50's, it is a war against my personal liberties. GOP wants less regulation in the board room, I don't want their regulation in my bedroom. It is no one's business, especially govt's

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Tim Lewis

6:38 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Yo Adrian - this stuff isn't hard to understand. The birth control issue is not about access, but about public funding. Why should we as a society have to pay that expense? And abortion is certainly not about the bedroom - far from it. It is not even about "your" body. It is about the body of an innocent life that deserves the chance to live, regardless of the circumstances of its conception. Taking innocent life is wrong, no matter what year it happens to be.

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Adrian Seltzer

10:45 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Tim, so you would rather pay for the unwanted children that are born. Way to look at the broader perspective. Unless you want the cannon fodder,

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Adrian Seltzer

11:03 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

So Tim would rather pay for unwanted children than for an abortion which happens naturally 20% of the time. Guess you know better than nature or g-d if you believe in fairies in the sky.

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Bill L

7:58 am on Friday, August 31, 2012

Marc, I forgot to mention. Hey, speaking if racist Mormans and that whole thing (god, I hate Mormans!  Jerks.), do you know that my BMW-driving, Avalon beach-house-owning, kids-in-private-school, church-going, charity-giving, golf-crazy, neighbor actually tried to convince me that Harry Reid is also a Morman.   He said that if MSNBC wants to paint a picture that Romney is racist because he is a Mormon, well, they just have to draw the same conclusion for our Great Harry Reid.   You know, I just stomped away from that potential altercation (the fire dept had just finished hosing down my buddy's Volt by then anyway), and snuck off to Google "Harry Reid Mormon" on my buddy's IPad, and darnit if that jerk-of-business-owner-neighbor of his was right (I mean correct, not 'right', as in in Extreme Right.  As in in Extreme Right Wing for that matter).   But, Marc.  How can this be?   http://spectator.org/archives/2012/08/31/racists-of-the-world-unite

Daniel Pipes

1:07 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Obamas vision on the road to prosperity is laced with taxes, taxes and more taxes. That's the only way to pay for programs. I for one am tired of paying more taxes and not qualifying for any help or deductions. Funny how Dems blame Reps for taxes when the Republicans run on NOT raising taxes and your party can't even balance a budget let alone vote on it . Obamacare is a TAX. Medicade raided $716 billion. Wake up people.

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Tim Again.

6:11 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

You mean the waste of money that Obama cut. dO You people people eVerything that FauxSNOOZE tells you to believe.

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Tim Lewis

6:44 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Ha, Tim! How about you look up the last few budgets for some facts, and get back to us. (hint: don't waste too much time trying to find it...)

nona

1:27 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Silly Mr Pipes. What propaganda are you listening to? The Repugnants want to tax everyone but the 2% upper crust. I have a feeling you are in the lower 98%. We will be serfs to what the Reps envision. The Repugnants make it their biz to vote down everything the Dems try to pass in Congress with their policy since Mr Obama took office. That is their deluded strategy of retaking the presidency.

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Tim Lewis

6:50 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Nona, it must be sad to be intellectually void. Here is a challenge - I will become a democrat and donate to Obama's re-election campaign if you can show just one Republican candidate for federal office, anywhere in the country, who has said anything even close to tax everyone but the 2% ....

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Laura

12:28 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

One point you missed: Dems controlled the House and Senate the first 2 years he was in office. So quit the blame game and man up.

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Adrian Seltzer

5:29 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Laura, was bush's vetos on those bills overridden? Oh wait, he didn't veto them.

Daniel Pipes

1:40 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

If I don't qualify for anything I must be a 1% er.Dems are anti business. You are the one complaining about property taxes in a rep run harrisburg when $10929 out of $12900 it takes to educate a child in a public school goes to salaries and benifits.

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Adrian Seltzer

1:33 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

$10,000 per student (rounding down for ease of calculation) x average 25 kids per class = $250,000. I'm sure teachers are paid that much. Did you do well in math?

travon black

2:07 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

What religion seems to be always in the news about the priest having sex with children?

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nona

2:12 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/22/why-believe-romney-now-after-his-lies-on-medicare-bain-taxes.html
First, Paul Ryan placed Medicare on the chopping block. And amid the aftershocks of a bold and bad decision to put Ryan on his ticket, Mitt Romney this week also put Medicare on the lying block. Michael Tomasky is on target when he tartly observes that Romney is waging the “lyingest campaign ever”—and utterly demolishes the most “blatant” lie of all, that the president has gutted welfare reform. The third Romney ad leveling this charge brazenly cites a newspaper that was condemning the accusation.

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Mallison Schwartz

2:16 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

oink, oink, oink, oink, tax & spend, oink, oink, oink, tax & spend, oink, oink, oink,obama care, oink, oink, oink. What state is Abington in ?

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Adrian Seltzer

11:05 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Oink oink oink, mortgage and spend, mortgage and spend. Why the deficit is higher.

Bob Guzzardi

3:15 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Four more years of Obama's Marxist Socialist policies and ....CBO Flags Recession Risk as a 'Fiscal Cliff' Looms Ending the Bush Tax Cuts Means Recession! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444812704577605153270293724.html?mod=djemalertNEWS

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Brendan Kelly

3:39 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsDmPEeurfA
We listened then and it got us nowhere. Lets see this so called cliff. We spend more on our defense than anything else. Cut defense to get us out of this deficit mess. Why is no one discussing that? I say leave the tax cuts but cut Defense spending by a third. I am tired of the US being the worlds police department.

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Tim Again.

6:14 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

I bet you are a birther also.

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Marc L.

8:35 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Hey Bob...did you take the same Social Studies class as Christine O'Donnell? Care to explain exactly what Socialism and Marxism are and how exactly either of those ideals are comparable to the policies and decisions made by the Obama Administration.

Calling Obama a Marxist Socialist is like calling Romney an Elitist Money-Laundering Dog Abuser. It sounds good until you start to peel away the layers of B.S. surrounding the facts.

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Adrian Seltzer

11:07 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Marxist , socialist policies, obviously you do not know what the terms mean, just like fox news

John Monaghan

3:21 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Marc....4 years ago the American people gave the Democrats control of the government with majorities in both the House and Senate along with the Presidency. Two years later the American people rebuked the President and his party for their stewardship....their reward for a wasteful stimulus, for achieving the liberal dream of Obamacare, and many other transgressions was to lose their majority in the House. The President's response to the debacle, unlike Clinton's in 1994, was to double down, not compromise and instead blame his predecessor for his misfortune.
For all of your complaints about "GOP obstruction," how about the marvelous job that Harry Reid has done in running the Senate? They haven't passed a budget in three years. That's real leadership !!
We'll see what happens in a few weeks when the American people speak. Until then, let's not forget were we've been.

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Marc L.

8:41 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

The Republican idea of compromise was 100 percent of their ideas and 0 percent of the President's ideas. They didn't want a compromise. They just wanted people to see them SAY they want a compromise while opposing everything that came their way. The GOP keeps trying to steer this back to the Economy as if they have the answers and they don't. They just know that in an economic downtime that it's harder for an incumbent to win. But meanwhile they know that if the attention turns to virtually any other topic the GOP is in shambles. The next two months will see a lot of Republicans trying to deflect the attention away from all of their party's faults (there are a LOT of them) and towards the economy, hoping that enough of the sheep fall for their misrepresentations & half-truths.

This is nothing but politics and the GOP has been playing the game for two years, gambling our future on the hopes of helping their own and not the country as a whole.

I plan to remember EXACTLY where we've been when I cast my vote for Obama in November, because where we've been under prior administration is exactly what got us into the mess and the quagmire that BOTH parties have created with partisan politics (with bonus points to the GOP) is what is stalling our recovery -- not the policies of the Obama administration.

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Mike Shortall

9:29 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Guess the Republicans took their cue from the ACA debacle. Wasn't a whole lot of give & take going on with that at all!

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Adrian Seltzer

11:10 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

He had a majority, but somehow 51 isn't a majority anymore. Dems should make GOP actually filibuster everything they threaten. Show what they are made of.

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Bill L

8:10 am on Friday, August 31, 2012

Obama will lose by 10 points. Watch and see.

Adrian Seltzer

4:41 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Erin, you can blog for the patch if you feel it is too left leaning.

The analysis of the CBO report about taxes and the deficit was a partisan report. If you actually read the analysis, you will see that tax cuts make up over 20% of the deficit, the rest fueled by 2 wars, TARP, medicare D, etc all things Ryan voted for.
Daniel, you said I for one am tired of paying more taxes and not qualifying for any help or deductions. Is it fair that huge corporations don't loss their deductions when they make over a certain amount of money like you do? Do you think it is fair that most of Romney's and super rich individual's income is taxed at 15% and not subject to Medicare and social security taxes like the rest of us? If the tax laws were the same for venture capitalists, private equity firms and big corporations as the are for us, tax rates could be reduced for us. Think about food stamps, earned income tax credit and the minimum wage. Companies get to pay their workers a non living wage and you and I have to subsidize the workers so they can afford to live. Companies get the discount and we are stuck with the bill. Why do you think all the big money is in this election? If you don't think these savvy business people want a return on their investment you're in the dark. It is going to come at the middle and upper middle classes' expense.

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Tim Again.

6:05 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Did Ryan tell another lie about the GM plant closing he blamed on Obama in 2008?

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Mike Shortall

9:31 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Well, at least he didn't try to blame Bain Capital for someone's cancer.

Tim Again.

9:18 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Tim Lewis.......Obamacare has shortened the donut hole in the seniors perscription plan, and has paid for many seniors screening and preventive care. I guess you love to throw seniors under the bus.

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Daniel Pipes

9:41 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Bush cut taxes for the rich along with everyone else. Here are some numbers from the Office of Management and Budget. Revenues fell the first two years of Bush because of the Tech bust and the start of the tax cuts. After taking in $1.7 Trillion in tax revenues in 2003, $1.8 trillion in '04, $2.1 trillion in '05; $2.4 trillion in '06; and $2.56 trillion in '07. That's a 44% increase from '03 to '07. Revenues dropped off in '08 and '09 when the financial crisis hit .
Defisits also shrank. After the Clinton surplus in '01 Bush ran up deficits of $158 billion in '02; $378 B in '03 and $413 B in '04. Then, with renenues pouring in the deficits began to fall : $318 Billion in '05; $248 B in '06 and $161 B in '07. the 2007 deficit, with the tax cuts in effect, was 1/10 of today's $1.6 trillion deficit.
Deficits went up in '08 with the beginning of the econmic downturn and not coincidentally, with the first full year of a Democrsatic House and Senate.

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Adrian Seltzer

11:16 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Actually the dems that got elected that year didn't take office until 2009. Nice try.

Daniel Pipes

9:58 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Finally when Bush took office in '01, the national debt was $5.7 trillion.In his second term in '05 it was $7.6 trillion. When Bush left office in January of '09 it stood at $10.6 Trillion. He increased debt $2 trillion in his first term and $3 trillion in his second term for a total of $5 trillion. Of that $3 TRILLION IN HIS SECOND TERM $2 Trillion came under a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS.
The debt was $10.6 Trillion when Obama took office in Jan '09 and now it stands at $15 trillion. He INCREASED THE DEBT ALMOST $5 TRILLION IN HIS FIRST THREE YEARS AND IS ON PACE TO INCREASE IT more if RE elected without any deficit reduction in his budgets which not one Democrat has voted for.
The reason the Republicans won't vote for the budget is there is $80 billion for food stamps in it , which coincidentally that entitlement went up from 43 million people on it to over 70 million under Obama.
This is why we need a change or we go the way of Greece.

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Adrian Seltzer

11:14 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Food stamps and earned income tax credits are corp subsidies so they don't have to pay a living wage. Minimum wage costs you not corps. You have to follow the money.
Why do you think the corps and billionaires are supporting Romney.. You think they are not expecting a return on investments? Fool.

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Adrian Seltzer

11:19 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Started 2 wars, Medicare d, TARP, and instituted tax cuts, before Obama took office and Ryan voted for it all.

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Adrian Seltzer

1:37 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

You blame congress when Bush was president, but blame Obama as president and not Congress for the deficit. So who really controls the budget? (FYI, it's congress)

John Monaghan

10:39 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Marc....3.5 years into the Obama administration and it's still "all George Bush's fault." Unemployment remains at a high level, gas costs more, the defecit has ballooned into the stratosphere, Guantanamo Bay is still open, etc., etc., And since the President can't run on his record he needs to demonize his opponent. So much for hope and change.

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Morgan King

10:58 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Well, to be fair, Obama's actually working against 30 years of Reagan's corporate deregulation that's really only in the last few truly showing its dramatically deleterious effects on our economy - the Bushes were largely just following in his footsteps (though, I guess, we are still paying for their wars). It's going to take a long time to fix it - several generations, even if the parties don't obstruct each other.

Daniel Pipes

11:14 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

I guess were still paying for WW II, Korea, Vietnam. When its not Bush's fault, its now Reagan. How about this administration taking responsibility for something. Anything.

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Morgan King

11:53 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

What is it, exactly, are you looking for this administration to take responsibility for? We are constantly building on the mistakes and successes of our past and it's pretty rare, certainly in a system as huge as this, for there to be an isolated event that someone even could take responsibility for.

John Monaghan

12:17 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Morgan, you have a point. This administration is really talented when it comes to avoiding responsibility. They are equally skilled when it comes to blaming others. Speaking of leaving it to future generations, how about their unwillingness to deal with the hard mathematical truth about Social Security and Medicare? It's much easier to frighten senior citizens than it is to deal with the tough reality.

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Morgan King

12:53 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

I don't follow - isn't attempting to deal with Medicare a cornerstone of the ACA? It certainly inherits a lot of its features and costs a lot less. Again, what are they avoiding responsibility for? Not being Conservatives? I really have no idea what you are referring to, if it's something specific.

SMYRNA-X

3:10 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Another horrible patch article. Ryan comes to our area and he is trashed. If biden was here it would have been glowing. The patchs love for liberals has to stop and report fairly.

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Adrian Seltzer

1:12 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

You too can blog for the patch. Just sign up.

SMYRNA-X

3:12 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

The patch could not find one republican, not even ryan, to quote for this joke of an article. Shame

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SMYRNA-X

3:18 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Wow 25 protesters, well I guess this election is over. 25 liberals show up and tell us how romney/ ryan suck and we should vote and think like them. Who cares what they say. Oh wait, the patch does.

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Bob Guzzardi

8:51 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Nice work, Daniel Pipes.

Although GWBush has much to answer for in getting us into this fiscal mess, it is, incontrovertible, that the Democrats who held the majority in both US House and US Senate from 2007 to 2009, voted for ALL the big spending bills, TARP, Stimulus, Cash for Clunkers, etc as well a Medicare Part D in 2003. The Democrats, clearly, are the drivers to spending. Unfortunately, even with veto power in the US House, Republicans have not slowed the spending, the debt or the deficit and have much to answer for as well. There are a small group, which is growing, that recognized the perils of The Debt Bomb as Sen. Coburn calls it.

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David Curran

12:51 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Bob, why don't u take a look Ryan's voting record on the issues u mentioned , I think u r going to be disappointed. I do admit it is funny to watch him furiously shake his etch-a-sketch to justify his positions-just like his partner Mitt "The Shapeshifter" Romney. He is doing the same thing now,with regards to abortion in cases of rape. These guys have elevated flip flopping to an art form.

Bob Guzzardi

9:02 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Thomas Sowell, brilliantly, explains Obama Administrations Big Government/Statist policies where government controls the means of production either through outright ownership like General Motors or indirectly through regulations such as Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Prescription Part D, Ethanol Mandates, or spending like TARP, Stimulus, Cash for Clunkers, Farm Subsidies, Housing Tax Deduction and so many more industry specific tax or spending policies. http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/06/12/socialist_or_fascist/page/full/

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Bob Guzzardi

9:06 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

For an overview of Barack Obama's Alinsky Stealth Socialism strategy and goals, see Radical-In-Chief by Stanley Kurtz which is scholarly and sourced. Stanley Kurtz makes a well-documented and compelling case for Barack Obama's Marxist goal and the Class Warfare strategy used to achieve it. It is a strategy that has worked well for him and for his cause.

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Joseph Robert

9:31 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

How could anyone trust Romney-Ryan to lead the country since they both like to distort and lie so much?

For instance, look how much Paul Ryan avoids telling the truth....

According to a recent analysis by Politifact, a nonpartisan watchdog and Pulitzer Prize winner, Ryan rarely gives true information in his public comments. Politifact reviewed 14 statements that Ryan has publicly made over recent months and found that of those statements:

Four were “mostly false.”
Four were “half true.”
Two were “pants on fire” (equal to incredibly false)
Two were “true.”
Two were “mostly true”

In total, that means 10 statements were inaccurate, and 4 were true or mostly true. In other words, he was accurate 28 percent or less than one-third of the time.

Learn more at:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/aug/11/fact-checking-paul-ryan/

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Wendy

10:31 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Mitt Romney are you serious...Paul Ryan? After everything you learned/did in MA you choose a person like Paul Ryan....OMG.

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Daniel Pipes

10:32 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

According to the trading report. com
Under Obama
1.average unemployment. over 8%. Clinton 5.2% Bush 5.3%
2. Median household income DECREASED $4000
3. DRILLING PERMITS Clinton rose 58%. BUSH rose 116%. OBAMA DECREASED 36%.
4. Gallon of gas in '07/'08 $1.85 Obama average $3.71/ gal
5. OBAMA LOSS of 300,000 education jobs.
6. Long term unemployment Americans ROSE.from 2.7 million to 5.2 million.
7. Percentage of working Americans with a job BELOW 59% for 30 months in a row.
8. US homes FALLEN another 12%.
10. Electric bills RISEN faster than the overall rate of inflation for 5 yr in a row.

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Adrian Seltzer

5:09 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

5. GOP run States try to break unions and cut education funding and teachers.

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Bill L

3:41 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012

And to hear Morgan explain it, we're in this mess because of...... Uh, Reagan?

Really, Morgan?

Were you asleep from '76 - '80?

Daniel Pipes

10:41 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

11. Since '08 economy lost 1.3 mil jobs and SSDI added to program.
12. OBAMACARE will Add 16 mil more to Medicade.
13. OBAMA fed spending as a percentage of GDP 25% highest since WW II.
14. The US Gov't has run a deficit of well over 1 trillion dollars every year under OBAMA.
15. Under Obama US DEBT DOWNGRADED FROM AAA STATUS16. Since OBAMA took office the US national debt has increased by 50%.
Who in their right mind would want four more years of this administration.

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Brendan Kelly

12:22 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgSKIgf_kKI
Deficits are OK during recessions and time of war, according to Cheyney.

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Bob Guzzardi

12:28 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

More good work, Daniel Pipes. The facts are well presented succinctly and clearly.

The Class Warfare Obama Voters respond with mindless insults.

Of course, they do.

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Morgan King

12:32 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Of the points you've reiterated (from a whtc list?) 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, and 15 are all trends that predate Obama's election - most of them starting in 2005 - and almost all things his administration has addressed to varying degrees of efficacy, as points 13 and 14 is how he's funded those efforts. I'd have rather paid higher taxes than borrow more money, myself - personal responsibility and all that. I'd argue points 3 and 12 are good things for the country, broadly accessible health care and renewable energy are fundamental to the next century in America.

Your point 4 is completely misleading - summer 2008 has the highest fuel prices in US history, followed by a steep drop off. Cherrypicking the lowest point (1.85) instead of the highest (4.12) just a few months prior is disingenuous at best.The actual average is around $3 (not like any President has direct control over that, anyway). There is no point 9.

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Tim Again.

4:53 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

You forgot the billions lost in the stock market under Bush along with the costs of the wars which he didn't include in his budget.

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Adrian Seltzer

5:12 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

15. US govt debt downgraded because of GOP short sighted refusal to increase debt ceiling.

Wendy

11:48 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012

When you inherit a MESS then cleaning it up is a POLITICAL PROCESS.....OBAMA 2012...OBAMA 2012...OBAMA 2012....SAY NO to Paul "OUT OF TOUCH" Ryan.

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Laura

12:29 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Hey - he asked for the job and has not done anything to fix it like he promised. It is not like it was a surprise. Quit whining.

Mohandus Frieri

12:02 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

No evidence here that teabaggers talk to anyone but themselves.

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Daniel Pipes

12:05 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Not a teabagger, far from it. I'm tired of going backwards. You two are typical liberal comments. All mouth and no substance.

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Tim Again.

4:55 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

You probably voted for bush twice though.

Curmudgeon

12:11 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Wow Wendy, when does color war start, we need a cheerleader with pom poms!!

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Mallison Schwartz

12:44 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

What about me and my liberal agenda ? I only do what Obama tells me to do.

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Curmudgeon

12:49 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

@MohandASS: Wow good comeback: A litttle muslim humor??

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12:54 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

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Morgan King

12:54 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Come on, guys - you're just acting like the same talking-point spouting team cheerleaders you oppose on the other side. All this drivel just gets in the way of actually discussing plans, figures, and philosophies. We can do better than that.

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Daniel Pipes

1:08 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

2000-2008 Bush/ Cheneys fault
2008-2012 Bush's fault
OBAMAS RE ELECTION with no record to run on... PRICELESS

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Tim Again.

4:56 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Are you going back in your time machine to change GOP history?

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TaterSalad

1:49 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012

This article below shows what our President, Barack Obama has brought to America. Yet, liberals and the Democratic Party support this! We can only shake our heads in disgust.

http://moonbattery.com/?p=16645

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Morgan King

2:32 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012

Uh - that guy's German and that all happened in Germany. How does that have any bearing on anything to do with US politics?

David Curran

2:42 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012

Can't you see Morgan, Obama likes beer, Germany is known for beer, therefor it logically follows that if someone in Germany dresses his little boy in a dress than it is Obama's fault. :)

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